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Poster: Jim F Date: Jan 3, 2011 3:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Dentist (sorta Dead related)

OK so I've had issues with my teeth for as long as I can remember, mostly stemming from a roller skating accident I had as a kid where I landed face first on concrete and chipped up a whole bunch of teeth. Because of that accident I had to make multiple dental visits a year for years, root canals, crowns, fillings, you name it. Due to the complications from that spill as a kid, plus simple bad genetics when it comes to teeth, I have had more dental work than your average hockey player in the NHL. And I have to have some more work done on Tuesday.

My question to my fellow fanatical Deadheads is, what do I listen to while undergoing a 90 minute-2 hour dental procedure to keep my mind off the whole thing? All while blasted on nitrous oxide the whole time, I should note. I would love some suggestions.

Like I said, I'm no stranger to some of the more invasive dental procedures, and the only thing that makes the pain and horrible experience of the procedure somewhat bearable is the fact that I can put on some of the finest GD music and space out on medical grade nitrous oxide (while under a doctor's care, I do not purchase/use N2O on the "street" or illicit market, only at the dentist's). As one who is prone to anxiety attacks, not to mention the stress from the pain, when I put on my headphones and crank up the gas, it makes the dental visit much, MUCH more pleasant.

I always put a lot of thought into what I will listen to during the procedure. I'm drawing a blank this time. The surgery is on the 5th, but I'm thinking maybe 1/2/70's big DStar jam might be a good one. The whole procedure should take around 90 minutes, so I am trying to plan accordingly and bring something appx 90 min-2 hours. One time I listened to the second set from 2.28.69, that one was particularily enjoyable.

If anyone has any suggestions, please post them! I listen to lots of music and various eras of GD and post-Jerry GD, but I'm primarily a 68-76 guy. For this procedure I'm thinking maybe something in the 72-74 range, though I'd also love to go the 69-70 route...decisions decisions...

Hey, if I'm dropping some 800 bucks to voluntarily put myself in a lot of pain, I'm going to make the experience as enjoyable as possible!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 3, 2011 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dentist (sorta Dead related)

Jim, I hope you were rollerskating with the prettiest girl in your 8th grade class, and maybe got a peck on the cheek before the crash (the reason for the crash?). Wowza that's mucho pain! Someone I'm very close to has 'bad teeth' which at first I laughed off as wussiness, but over the years I've learned, among many other things, that I am completely wrong. It really hurts!
Go easy and may the dentist be skilled. I hope this is the last nasty procedure for you.

I am not finding the dentist show picking inspiration, so be gentle,
Long past the time requirement
This does not meet the time requirement , but so many goodies from the same show you could add.

edit- and for something completely different, but transfixing. Something to set the mind before the trip to the office.
New Yorkers will remember Renee Flemming's pics everywhere that winter.

This post was modified by micah6vs8 on 2011-01-03 16:36:16

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 3, 2011 6:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dentist (sorta Dead related)

Sorry to hear about your teeth!

I think I would go with something aesthetically pleasing, something beautiful to distract you from the unpleasantness you will undoubtedly be enduring. There is a reason that classical music is frequently playing at the dentists office.

I suggest something from the Europe '72 tour. The music has a rather pleasant vibe, with enough complexity to distract you somewhat from the pain you might be experience.

Try 5/3/72 or perhaps 5/26/72 (Rotterdam might be a touch edgey and the German performances are too intense). Good luck with your proceedure!

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jan 4, 2011 4:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dentist (sorta Dead related)

Thanks, everybody. It's not too big of a deal, I've had so much dental work that at this point a crown is a simple procedure for me.

Europe 72 does sound good, you really can't go wrong there. I did once listen to Hundred Year Hall during a dental visit. I recall it being a pretty enjoyable experience.

The thing with the dentist is, you get a coupel of novacaine shots in the gum, and then they have to wait a good 20 minutes or so until that fully numbs the area. So during that time, I'm sitting there in my own little nitrous-and-Grateful Dead world. Then they come in and get to work...that's when the real fun begins.

You have to keep the music at a level to where you can hear the doctor and his assistant when they tell you to do this or that, but also have to turn it up when they really get to the loud drilling. You gotta be quick on the volume button. One time as they were getting started my dentist asked what I was listening to. I told him the Dead and he said "hey, turn it up so the rest of us can hear!" He's naturally a bit of an ass kisser, a very pleasant guy but sometimes you get the sense he just agrees with whatever you say with that sortof detached politeness that comes from the nature of the those type of social interactions. Though I think his daughter is/was a bit of a hippie. Probably just some college phase. Though I did talk with one of the dental assistants about music one time, about classic rock and Zeppelin and all that stuff, she was a good ol rock and roll fan. Then she mentioned something about seeing some horrible concert, something like "me and my husband saw Garth Brooks at the state fair last summer," or some other cheesy shit like Boston or something.

Anyway, I still haven't made my decision, and I leave in 8 hours. I should probably try and sleep during that time, though. I'll come up with something. Actually this recording is also popping into my mind...

Jerry Garcia and Merl Saunders
San Francisco, CA

SBD MR > R > R > CD > EAC > WAV (shntool confirms no sbes) > FLAC

SBD MR (Peter Abrams) > R (Peter Kafer)<< R (Will Boswell) > CD
Transferred by Matt Smith---- info: MR@7 1/2 ips>R@7 1/2 ips>R@ 7 1/2 ips>Apogee Mini ME 24/96>Apogee Mini DAC(monitoring)>Wavelab 5.0(dithered to 20/44)>CD

Huge thanks to Will Boswell for the source and to Matt Smith for blessing us with a copy.

Disc 1
01 save mother earth jam > funk space jam > 13:29
02 save mother earth jam continued > 14:40 (reel splice at 2:37)
03 jam 15:22

Disc 2
01 jam > 8:48 (drop out at 5:23-:26)
02 jam > 24:04
03 jam 5:42 // (cuts at 4:42)


all instrumental show with lots of spacey improvisation

wonderful sound and jamming!!!

As Matt puts it:
"It's clearly a Matrix tape and you can tell from the separation of the instruments
and it has the same type of mix of all other Matrix reels I've done. Since Garcia
would show up at the 'Thursday night Jam' numerous times, this could be from
late 1970 but since Merle is here it's most likely early, mid '71. There is static in the left channel but goes away and the overall dynamics are fantastic!! It's like
you're sitting right in front of them!! As an aside Kafer's reels were destroyed in
his parent's attic so Will's stuff is most likely the best and cleanest surviving
analog copies.


Jerry Garcia and Merle Saunders
Keystone Korners
San Francisco Ca
5 20 1971

24 bit / 96 kHz Raw Transfer. No DSP Applied.

The date has been deduced by David Lemiuex and Matt Smith with some solid research. While we will never know for sure, few would know better.

"Most likely lineage.. MR@ 7 1/2 ips >> Reel(owned by Jerry Garcia) >>
Reel(made and owned by Will Boswell) @ 7 1/2 ips >> 2496 PCM WAV [by Matt Smith] .
There is also a chance Garcia had the master as well so there could be one less gen but we will never know. DL never heard of this before but there are other recordings from other nights. at least the following day(no i do not have it. I WISH)"- MS

Careful listening, 3 basic crossfades and minor adjustments applied by Jamie Waddell on the GEMS Edit Sation. I didn't do a single thing to the sound. I played with a lot of ideas and while each made the sonics better in some ways, this recording just doesnt need anything. Let yer amp do the work on the volume, because this is one special treasure. It's my all time favorite (non GD) Jerry Garcia Recording and it's an honor to share this.

this exact reel was transferred and seeded previously as xx/xx/1971 (in 16bit/44.1kHz) at LL and is listed as shnid 93137. The music is the same but this transfer is in 2496 and has no conversions, limiters or dither applied. This is as close to the reel as you can get unless you visit Matt's House.

a Project **GEMS** August2009

1. jam
2. jam
3. jam
4. Blues Instrumental
5. Little Bit of Righteousness
6. Summertime (theming, not exact)

flac fingerprint file generated by Trader's Little Helper
generated on August 23, 2009, at 16:49:02

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jan 4, 2011 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dentist (sorta Dead related)

Are you back yet? How did it go? What did you decide upon for 'pod?


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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Jan 3, 2011 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dentist (sorta Dead related)

I recommend straying to some psytrance- Shpongle's "Nothing Last's... but Nothing is Lost" is a phenominal 60 minutes straight, if you must go Dead DP 14- Boston music Hall 11 and 12 of 1973 is about two hours of pure bliss

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jan 7, 2011 1:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dentist (sorta Dead related)

@ William: Yeah, it really isn't that invasive or painful at all, really. By far the biggest pain is the hurtin' my wallet takes every time I have to have something done. But I don't feel like getting into some detailed discussion about pain tolerance and modern dental techniques and all that other crap. Frankly I'm rather tired of thinking/talking about it. It just reminds me that I have a massive bill to pay. Plus I've just been somewhat bored with the internets lately. My life is starting to feel empty when the majority of my "social interaction" are digital, and with "strangers" most of the time. I do still love my digital "friends" who I check up on everyday. From all of you folks on here and other GD forums/torrent sites and such, to all those people who you are friends with on Facebook even though you've only met in person maybe once, if that (like all those "friends of a friend"). Then there are the actual close friends...

Anyway, musically, I chose to start off with some of the 1/2/70, DStar>Stephen>11, then I skipped the Lovelight and took ya'll up on the 5/3/72 suggestion. I enjoyed the 1/2/70 part, but for most of the 5/3 listening segment I was getting drilled out pretty hard and wasn't really paying as much attention as I'd have liked, so I have very little memory of that part of it.

Oh but the pain of the procedure was almost nil, it wasn't until later when all the novocaine wore off did my tooth, gums, and jaw really start to hurt. I still have pain when brusing my teeth and eating. Sweets and cold/hot drinks aren't all that much fun, either.

Again, I'm just kinda done talking about it. But I appreciated everyone's thoughts and input (and concern/well-wishes) and thought I'd pop in and let everyone know the musical selection/s. I have this weird thing where I always feel guilty for not responding to people, things, and topics on the internet, or if I do, in not enough detail. I ALWAYS feel like I'm only writing out half of what I want to or intend to say. There's just so much to read, so much to say, so many topics to respond to, so many emails, etc. And I'm really long-winded as it is. I know that in reality, it's not that important, and people probably don't care or notice, but it's just one of those neurotic things I have.

This post was modified by Jim F on 2011-01-07 09:15:32

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Poster: CPettingill Date: Jan 3, 2011 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh No!!! Not The Dentist

More nitrous...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 3, 2011 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh No!!! Not The Dentist

I've heard or read that there was nitrous on the stage that night, but I was there and don't remember that. On the other hand, I don't remember much at all, I'm afraid, at a distance of -- yikes -- 28 years (!), and certainly not much of musical/historical interest ...

Does anyone know the story behind that?

Btw, "enjoy" your surgery ... I had no idea that dentists still used nitrous! I thought it would all be anesthetics. No suggestions, except that I listened to the 1/2/70 DS again last night, and yeah, it may be a bright and sprightly one as DSs go, but not sure I'd want to hear any DS while getting my mouth drilled! (Was that sound Jerry? Phil? The drill? My .... jawbone?!?)

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jan 4, 2011 4:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh No!!! Not The Dentist

Oh and yeah, dentists totally still use nitrous. I like to use the joke an old friend taught me where you ask for a take-home bag. But yeah it's medical grade nitrous mixed with pure oxygen, you're laid back in a chair and there are trained professionals around at all times. If you're going to use nitrous, it's the safest possible environment, which is why I always have them hook me up to the gas.

It's really amazing where your mind can go when hooked up to the stuff for an extended period of time. It's almost spiritual. It's a wonderful place to visit, especially when undergoing something like having people jabbing you in the mouth with needles and sharp, spinning pieces of metal. It really makes you not care too much about what they're doing (that part doesn't come until a few hours later when the novocaine wears off). But it's the only time I ever visit, I've never bought balloons of the stuff at concerts or anything.

Oh but no, Dark Star is an absolutely fantastic place to visit in that state. I really liked the time I played the second set from 2/28/69 during a previous dental surgery. You get the intense Cryptical, the dreamy Dark Star, a top-notch-and lengthy) Eleven, a soulful Death Don't, and then that Alligator>Caution...

Oh and no, I wasn't roller skating with chicks...I was alone just screwing around, practicing wrist shots or something or other related to hockey, as those were my street hockey days. I don't remember how it happened, but I lost my balance or something and landed SMACK on my face. It's one of the reasons I cannot watch the scene in American History X where Ed Norton puts the guy's mouth on the street curb and kicks his head. I'm getting shivers even thinking about it.

Anyway I chipped up a whole bunch of teeth, and the aftermath sucked. And that's on top of all the fillings I got as a kid that have gotten cracked and otherwise needed replacing over the years. I'm just waiting for two of my front teeth to fall out, those got the worst of my skating accident. Every year they had to keep putting new temporary crowns in because I was still growing. Then the nerve in one of them got infected or something and had died and it began to get extremely painful, just the worst horrible throbbing pain. I had to get a root canal on that one. As soon as they opened up the nerve, even through the numbness I could literally feel the pressure get relieved, I won't even get into what it looks like when you rinse and spit that out....

So when I finally hit 18 or so they said my body was done growing so I could get the permanent crowns. So I've had these things in here well over 10 years. Still holdin up, knock on wood....

Well on to get yet another one...I'll be sure and give the full report on my musical choice/s! lol

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 4, 2011 6:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh No!!! Not The Dentist

Hey Jim--no biggie, but I have crowns and root canals without feeling pain whatsoever, and never been gassed. I may have the "best of the best" (I doubt it, but I did shop around), and a crown is like a walk in the park--seriously, I wouldn't even consider taking headphones. Likewise, the rootcanals are a bit longer, but I was absolutely shocked at how easy the first one was. And it was a huge molar.

Anyway--not saying you're a wimp, and go for the gas by all means, but for folks wondering how bad is it going to be, it all depends on your dentist.

I can offer the same advice about prostate surg too; do not visit a urologist that practices any method over ten yrs old...too early to explain, but you get the idea.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 4, 2011 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh No!!! Not The Dentist

Huh. Can't quite relate to that topic. Anyone wanna talk childbirth? Ringo, Deb?

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jan 4, 2011 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh No!!! The baby's coming now!!

Sure - lets. I have not experienced the pain personally (obviously) but I've been there for my wife and two kids - in fact, delivered the second one myself in our bedroom. (Bless her, my wife is a fast worker.) I can tell you however - she made sounds in a voice I've never heard before or since, more scary than the wildest Dark Star. The landlord downstairs thought I was torturing her, from his expression. She had back labor, and the baby was breech - so there was all due haste, I always assume with divine intervention. I was there to "catch" - I cannot claim any great facility - and the paramedics arrived about 5 minutes later. The wife always says childbirth is akin to a b.m., only imagine pushing out a basketball.

I'd like to refute WT - I don't necessarily think that the "right" dentist will always have the magic to an easier time in the chair. I do think some people are more sensitive to dental pain than others. The right guy can make a difference, but some people just react differently to pain. I hate the dentist.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 4, 2011 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh No!!! The baby's coming now!!

Oh yeah, agreed; but the truth is, I am a MUCH bigger wimp than you or Jim, I can assure you, as can my wife, etc., etc.

Just an example, to get graphic, on the prostate thing, up until ten yrs ago, urologists thought that since the prostate wasn't well supplied with nerves a biopsy could be done without any pain killing procedures. After a few urologists had the procedure (seriously), they did more studies, and changed their minds. But only the new ones do it the "new way" (which involves pain relief at three levels: pills, gels, and one shot after the first two; with that done, it's painless). Docs that still do it the old way lead to patients, many of whom I know, that will NOT go back for this all impt test, cause it was so painful.

Back to dentists (hmmm, transitioning from one orifice [Rob?] to the other, eh?), the ones I have now use a numbing gel, prior to the needles, etc., etc., and thus, relative to ones I went to 20-30 yrs ago, it's almost pain free.

So, trust me, it's not that I am saying "don't get pain killers", it's just that with the right approaches, you defn don't need gas, or have to be worried about it. So, in fact, it'd be fine if the dentist said "hey, instead of all these other pain killing procedures, I'll give you gas".

Just wanted to make clear there are alternatives, and with those, no one really has to be worried about the pain per se. Trust me, I am really sensitive to pain, and that's what motivated me to avoid it. Agree that you might still have massive anxiety about the whole idea, teeth or prostate, but the pain can be dealt with. Generally.